It was a disappointing day for any Huddersfield Town fan who travelled over the pennines on Sunday afternoon, with a comprehensive and fully deserved 6-1 defeat to Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium.
Town hadn't conceded a single goal on their last four visits to the Citizens, the last time they did the Terriers were trounced 10-1, with three hat-tricks been scored on the day. Predictably the Sky coverage of the match focused on the 10-1 win for City and how good they are now. As usual they made out that Town were just their to make up the numbers. You could argue that we didn't even do that on Sunday as we were comfortably beaten on the day. You could even say they hoped that once again we'd fall to such a heavy defeat.
Post-match, there has been much to debate, here's our look at the big talking points from our trip to the Etihad.
1. No longer Hamer time
One item on the agenda has once again got to be who plays between the sticks for Huddersfield Town. Jonas Lossl was again rested to the bunch as Ben Hamer took pride and place in goal.
Many Town fans were not happy with Hamer's performance against Chelsea, however it was only his distribution that was not on point. Overall Hamer did what alright in that game. However against last season's champions in City it was a different story, a number of clumsy errors mean the calls for Hamer to be dropped are even louder.
I tried to battle Hamer's corner after the first game, and even wrote a blog putting out my feelings on the matter. I thought Hamer should have been given another go at City and he duly got that chance. It is my view after seeing the mistakes against City that now is the time for Lossl to be put back between the sticks. Whilst I still believe Hamer is a good keeper, I think its time for the return of Lossl.
This will no doubt be a talking point on this week's Thrice Champions podcast again as we analyse the result and performance.
2. Negative formation change
I was somewhat perplexed at David Wagner's decision to play what seemed to be a negative formation.
Town’s team (4-4-1-1)
Ben Hamer; Chris Löwe, Terence Kongolo, Christopher Schindler, Tommy Smith (c); Alex Pritchard (Adama Diakhaby, 61’), Philip Billing, Jon Gorenc Stanković, Florent Hadergjonaj; Abdelhamid Sabiri (Laurent Depoitre, 46'); Steve Mounié (Ramadan Sobhi, 84').
We obviously thought we could do what we did last season, catch City on the break to create a few chances and spend the rest of the time defending. However that wasn't going to work this time around, City were in a different head space, they had a different motivation, the players and fans weren't thinking about picking up the Premier League trophy.
I was disappointed to see that we didn't have a real good go at City, some Town fans might say: "Well if you go for it a bit more we would have lost by more". However I don't buy that questioning, if you go for it a bit more, City then would have had to combat that and think about what we were doing.
Some Town fans may well point to the first goal and say we pressed City high by man marking them. There's pressing high and then there's suicidal pressure, and that's what happened in the first goal. Ederson simple kicked the ball long into space knowing that the City attackers this time being, Sergio Agüero were too fast for us. He rounded Schindler and curled his shot past Hamer who was in no man's land.
Obviously the absence of three key instrumental players in Mooy, Hogg and Zanka will of course have an effect on the team. However the question should be could the players on the pitch that day have been directed to go for it more?
The simple answer is yes, and the simple example is in another match on the same day with Brighton beating Manchester United 3-2. Yes United were awful and City were great, but if we could have pressured City more then who knows what might have happened.
3. Has Phillip Billing taken his chance?
Phillip Billing has divided opinion with Town fans for a long time, many fans have asked, is he good enough? When will he properly shine? Should we sell him?
Billing has always attracted attention from other clubs, Tottenham were once one of his biggest admirers, as were then Premier League side Swansea. However Town thought it better to hang on to the young talent at the time and hope he would come good. Well the question is now not when will he come good, it's now will he come good? There is no doubting the young Dane has talent, he can sometimes be one of the best passes of the ball. He has a rocket of a shot on him and has scored some spectacular goals for Town down the years, but is that enough?
Billing frustrates a lot of fans due to the perceived lack of effort he puts in, or the intensity in his game. If he could add that intensity to his game, then he could really be a star in the making.
Although he is still only young at 21 years of age, this is the season in my opinion he really needs to make it count. There has to be some substantial evidence in performances to back up all the promise.
As a Town fan I'd love nothing more than to see Billing succeed in his career whilst at Town and to become the top talent we all know he can be. However the time is now, the future his here, and Billing needs to start showing what he's really made of.
4. If there's no Hogg or Williams where is the bite?
Wagner always talks about the Terrier Spirit and one player who we can't say doesn't have that is Jonathan Hogg.
Hoggy is the one constant player you can rely on to show, passion, energy and desire. His intensity and tenacity on the pitch is really what pushes Town forward.
Many people dismiss Hogg as just an athlete in a football shirt, but he's more than that, his closing down of space and willingness to only do the dirty side of the game means he has the ability to help control the midfield. You need players like Hogg in the team to be able to dominate your opponent whether that be on or off the ball.
Town showed that they didn't have much bite against Manchester City, and that was down to the fact that neither Hogg nor Williams was in midfield harassing the City players.
Danny Williams is built in a similar mold to Hogg, but he has a better variety of passing skills. Whilst Hogg's passing has certainly improved, Williams is able to pick out a killer ball within seconds.
The combative midfielder brought in from Reading on a free transfer last summer is someone Town fans were looking forward to watching. He impressed in the games he played in, and it was unfortunate he got injured when he did. Hopefully we'[ll see much more of Williams this season.
Wagner in future must play one of Hogg or Williams if fit in midfield to add the bite to the Town midfield. Just a shame in this case both weren't fully fit.
5. Will we see more from the new signings against Cardiff.
You'd like to hope that Wagner may go with a very attacking line up against the newly promoted club.
The bluebirds are predictable in their play, and whilst a Neil Warnock side should never be underestimated. Town if on their attacking game should have too much for them.
It would be nice to see Adama Diakhaby and Isaac Mbenza start on either flank for Town. The pacey wingers could really excite the John Smiths Stadium crowd and more importantly scare the hell out of the Cardiff defence.
It will be interesting to see what line up Wagner goes with, but from a supporters point of view, I am still excited to see what our new signings can really do, against much less talented opposition.